Sunday, May 25, 2008

Our Rights as Americans

This is the opposite of EverythingHealth. Why anyone would need this object of destruction is a mystery to me. Coming soon to a gun show near you! (Hat tip to Ray B. for this)


TomH said...

Need? No one 'needs' this kind of thing any more than we 'need' Hummers or 52" flat screen TV's but we live in a free society. What we DO need is better conflict resolution. Better training. We need better use of our community and national resources so that our homes and public places will be safe for ALL who want to use them. We need to teach that in order to deserve respect, we must first give respect to others and earn their respect in turn.

We need to start being responsible for ourselves; for our actions, for our own health, for our own lives. We need to stop trying to find someone or something to blame.

And before you start talking about 'need', think about this: Did Amadou Diallo need to be shot 41 times? Did that young man going to his wedding in NY need to have literally hundreds of rounds fired at him? Did 92 year old Mrs. Johnson in Atlanta need to be killed because the lazy cops were trying to make their stats look good?

I don't think any of that needed to happen. But it did. Making a fuss about someone who makes a different kind of gun is easy. Doing something about the level of incompetance in many areas of society, from the national gov't to the local level is hard. Which path will be more effective in the long run is up to all of us. I think worrying about this particular gun is a little like arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


Raymond Bouchayer said...

NRA is in business with the gun manufacturer who are in the business of selling guns . Our Politicians are giving a lot of "lip service" to the citizen on how they want to get the guns off the streets ......easy , make it illegal ...but then they would lose the bribes from the gun makers ..And then there is this constitutional right to bear Arms.......what a bunch of bull , when did you ever see people walking around with weapons ? if they do they get arrested or shot by the cops . Therefore we do not have the right to bear Arm, so lets eliminate this right it is useless and dangerous to one's health.

Anonymous said...

I just saw a movie that is out called "The LIfe Before Her Eyes" that shows the exact reason why this should not have been invented or sold.

Vance said...

Oops, Toni! You stepped onto a political land mine!

That weapon is clever in its ingenuity and design, but when you get down to it, it is still just a modified Glock semi-automatic handgun. Even though it looks scary, it is no more lethal than any other Glock.

It may even be less lethal because if you are confronted by a criminal who intends to hurt you, it takes too long to get it ready to fire. The "switchblade" nature of it is cool, but not practical.

And even though it looks like you could conceal it more easily, you really cannot. In fact, it raises interesting questions.

For example, the law in Texas says that concealed handgun licensees must keep their guns out of plain sight. They may not display a gun unless they intend to use it.

So if a person uses it like a flashlight, and if it does not look like a gun, does that meet the definition of "concealed," or is one guilty of brandishing the weapon because it is visible?

Accordingly, I wouldn't buy one.

As to whether guns are the opposite of EverythingHealth -- I guess it depends upon whose health one is referring to: the criminal's or his victim's...


Rich said...

Remember, guns don't kill people -people kill people.

Anonymous said...

"Why anyone would need this object of destruction is a mystery to me."

No one needs a gun...or to vote, or to be free, or to have equality...
but the US Constitution says that we have these rights. Whether you choose to exercise them is up to you.
A gun is no more deadly than a salad fork, you put either in the hands of a murderer and they
will inflict damage with the same end result.

"constitutional right to bear Arms.......what a bunch of bull , when did you ever see people walking around with weapons ? if they do they get arrested or shot by the cops." Raymond Bouchayer

The answer Raymond is 48 of the 50 states either allow individuals to obtain CCW Permits(Carry Concealed Weapons)
or allow open carry without permit. (Illinois and Wisconsin do not allow permits)
The US Supreme Court has ruled that a government and its agents are under
no duty to provide members of the general public with adequate protective services.

Some people are of the mentality that the more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals, or when confronted by violent criminals, you should put up no defense, just give them what they want or run.
What is better: A woman raped and strangled, or a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet?

K said...

It was my impression that a gun kept in a bedside drawer was more likely to be used against its owner than against a home intruder. Am I wrong in this?

More to the point, how many crimes have actually been stopped by someone with a concealed carry permit versus crimes where a bunch of people say "oh if only they had been allowed to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves!"

Anonymous said...

K, Here is a case from Wednesday, Feb 6, 2008:

"Mess With a Marine Who’s Trying To Eat: Police investigate the scene –The 71-year-old retired Marine who opened fire on two robbers at a Plantation, FL , sub shop late Wednesday, killing one and critically wounding the other, is described as John Lovell, a former pilot for two presidents. He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t smoke, he works out everyday.

Lovell was a man of action Wednesday night. According to Plantation police, two masked gunmen came into the Subway at 1949 N. Pine Rd. Just after 11 p.m. There was a lone diner— Lovell, who was finishing his meal. After robbing the cashier, t he two men attempted to shove Lovell into a bathroom and rob him as well. They got his money. But then Lovell pulled his handgun, opened fire, shooting one of the thieves in the head and chest and the other in the head.

When police arrived, they found one of the men in the shop. K-9 units found the other in the bushes of a nearby business. They also found cash strewn around the front of the sandwich shop according to Detective Robert Rettig of the Plantation Police Department.&n bsp; Both men were taken to Broward General Medical Center , where one, Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died. The other, 21-year-old Frederick Gadson of Fort Lauderdale is in critical but stable condition.

A longtime friend of Lovell, was not surprised to hear what happened. “He’d give you the shirt off his back and he’d be mad if someone tried to take the shirt off your back,” he said. Lovell worked as a pilot for the Marines, flying former Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. He later worked as a pilot for Pan Am and Delta. Lovell is not married and does no t have children. He is not expected to be charged, authorities said “He was in fear for his life,”

ERP said...

Lets face it. People LOVE guns. Just like they LOVE cars. The trouble is you can take something like this into a store and not arouse any suspicion - and then rob the place or "whack" someone. Until our country stops its obsession with guns, the 2nd amendment can never be interpreted any other way than word for word as it was written over 200 years ago (when a flintlock musket had an effective rate of fire of about 3 per minute with a trained soldier). Although, i think this thing might be a good idea to walk the dog with - in Bagdad!

Chuck said...

Can you demonstrate one time or place, throughout all history, where the average person was made safer by restricting access to hand held weapons?

Toni Brayer MD said...


Yes, how about Columbine, or the Bank of America massacre in San Francisco, or the school tower massacre or the post office massacres or the McDonalds massacre in L.A. or Virginia Tech or the Amish schoolgirls or the freeway shooter in D.C. or thousands of other deaths of ordinary people that would be alive today if crazy people didn't have access to guns.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, how about Columbine, or the Bank of America massacre in San Francisco, or the school tower massacre or the post office massacres or the McDonalds massacre in L.A. or Virginia Tech or the Amish schoolgirls or the freeway shooter in D.C. or thousands of other deaths of ordinary people that would be alive today if crazy people didn't have access to guns."

The guns used for Columbine and Virginia Tech were acquired illegally so thats not an argument.
The only statement there I agree with is that crazy people should not have access to guns.
Gun control only limits the rights of law abiding citizens. Its very naive to think that just because you make it illegal to own guns that criminals are suddenly going to start obeying the law.

G23 said...

Gun Control works!
Just look at Washington D.C., they have had an outright ban on all functional firearms since 1976.
Of course, according to all reports, they are the murder capital of the nation as well.
If only they could get those darn criminals to follow the rules....

Anonymous said...

I will be very willing to give up my Glock 19 if someone can show me one criminal that didn't break the law.

That being said, what makes you people think if we take away the right to own handguns from honest law abiding citizens (who got their guns the legal way) that people won't shot them anymore?

Toni Brayer MD said...

To the numerous anons (are you one or many?):
If you go back to the original video and blog you will see that I never said your precious guns should be taken away. I do not think of you as "you people" (anon June 12)but instead believe we all have rights under the constitution. Guns are not "bad". But our fascination with automatic weapons, uzis, guns of war are quite bizarre and really are not needed for protection or hunting.
This doesn't need to be a black or white discussion. Can't there be reasonable shades of grey and compromise? This is just one of many issues that unnecessarily polarizes us as a nation. When we dig our heels in and don't even allow discussion or any negotiation, we are all losers.

I don't want the bad guys or the good guys to have automatic weapons, period. I want better screening of people who have gun permits since many of those guns fall into the hands of the "bad guys" anyway.

The fewer guns on the street, the safer we will all be. I have been a victim of gun violence and I don't know what would have happened if I had my own gun at that time. Of course, I am not opposed to self protection!!!!!!

Jay said...

Some interesting stastics:

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths
per gun owner is .000188.

(Statistics courtesy of the FBI)

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.)

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.


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